Islam Under Scrutiny by Ex-Muslims

A Few Questions Related to Islam‏, Part 2

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Peter wrote:

Dear Mr. Kasen

First of all thank you for your fast answer and your time.

Reading your answers I think the islamic society lives under pressure of religious police, isn't it?

Really I did not feel myself as I was observed but it seems that the religious police is almost everywhere and egyptians know it, is it right?

Speaking about my wife's friend, Jennifer, then if she is caught with Mohamed doing prohibited things or just only kissing, can she be punished?, even not being her Muslim and foreigner?

She is married under Christians laws in Netherlands but this is not known in Egypt, supposedly. Even being she married under Christians laws, can the islamic police consider her as an adulterer?

She told my wife she was thinking to agree a meeting with Mohamed in a high class hotel, like the Four Seasons in Cairo or similar, but I understand that in the hotels, arguing security reasons, everybody is observed by this Islamic Police and surely she would be caught, punished or probably blackmailed with bribery as the better thing of the bad things that could happen to her, isn't it?

You write that even the "remote control" sex by phone could be dangerous, why? Perhaps he is trying to convince Jennifer to travel Egypt and comply his sexual desires in person? Not loving her but using her as a forniture?

What would happen to Mohamed if he is caught by the religious police? Perhaps nothing because he is single and he can argue that he was enchanted by the foreign lady, is it right?

I suppose that after these two months of "virtual sex" my wife will have to recommend her friend Jennifer that she has to start to leaving this love or at least, if she is very very in love with Mohamed, maintain their affairs in the distance but never in person in a Muslim Country, is this correct?

Then I understand that is better that Jennifer dream does not come true for her own safety, isn't?

I am really impressed about the religious police because, as I told you before, I never felt observed or spied. This could became as one of those american films where from a romantic scene, suddenly a lot of police appears and the protagonists of the film are detained by police and jailed.

If I come back to visit pyramids I will look for this police.

I would like to know your impressions.

Thanks again

Peter


Dear Peter;

I am glad you have found my response to be of use. If you are perturbed reading what I wrote, it is important to understand Islam to gauge the mindset of Muslims who are the victims of Islam.
Here are answers to your pertinent questions.

You wrote:

Reading your answers I think the islamic society lives under pressure of religious police, isn't it?

My response:

Yes, you are correct. Islamic system is a tyrannical system of governance. It is barbaric, fascistic, and imperialistic. Islam wants to impose on the world the views of the Bedouin Arabs of the seventh century.

You wrote:

Really I did not feel myself as I was observed but it seems that the religious police is almost everywhere and Egyptians know it, is it right?

My response:

That is correct. In an Islamic paradise, religious police is everywhere. Islamic system encourages pious people to spy on not so pious people. Actually, the Islamic country does not have to have an enormous religious police force to enforce Islamic laws. Ordinary citizens do the job. That is why you might find the son is spying on the father, the husband spying on the wife, the brother spying on the sister, friends spying on friends, teachers spying on students, students spying on teachers…and so on. This spying and counter spying is endemic, so much so, that every Islamic citizen is always in a state of constant terror. It is a kind of 1984, as George Orwell wrote in his acclaimed novel to describe the characteristics of a totalitarian society. In many Islamic countries, family members are obliged to inform the religious authorities if anyone in the family does not pray, does not fast, or in any way breaks any Islamic provisions. An Islamic society is blood curdling, fear driven, and absolute totalitarian run by the tyrant religious leaders or their apologists.

You wrote:

Speaking about my wife's friend, Jennifer, then if she is caught with Mohamed doing prohibited things or just only kissing, can she be punished?, even not being her Muslim and foreigner?

My response:

In an Islamic country, governed by Islamic laws, anyone violating the Islamic laws is liable to prosecution. It does not matter whether the offender is a Muslim or not.

You wrote:

She is married under Christians laws in Netherlands but this is not known in Egypt, supposedly. Even being she married under Christians laws, can the islamic police consider her as an adulterer?

My response:

When a non Muslim visits an Islamic country, he/she is expected to respect and follow all Islamic laws. Thus, being a married woman (whether Muslim or Christian), and having committed adultery, is surely punishable by Islamic law.

You wrote:

You write that even the "remote control" sex by phone could be dangerous, why? Perhaps he is trying to convince Jennifer to travel Egypt and comply his sexual desires in person? Not loving her but using her as a furniture?

My response:

That is correct. “Remote Control sex” is certainly haram is Islamic paradises. If web sites containing even the mildest form of sexual references could be banned in Islamic countries, how could they allow telephone sex, video sex, internet sex, e-mail sex and so on?

You wrote:

What would happen to Mohamed if he is caught by the religious police? Perhaps nothing because he is single and he can argue that he was enchanted by the foreign lady, is it right?

My response:

I really do not know. It depends on how impartial the Islamic judiciary is in Egypt. He might receive tazir (discretionary) punishment and not hudud (the prescribed punishment such as stoning, amputation, or flogging). For doing indecent acts contrary to Islamic teachings, the tazir punishment may include a fine, light jail sentence or both.

You wrote:

I suppose that after these two months of "virtual sex" my wife will have to recommend her friend Jennifer that she has to start to leaving this love or at least, if she is very very in love with Mohamed, maintain their affairs in the distance but never in person in a Muslim Country, is this correct?

My response:

You are correct. She should think twice before setting her feet in an Islamic paradise. I think, for the time, ‘virtual sex’ should be fine; over a period, this will die. She will be exorcised from the Islamic spell.

You wrote:

Then I understand that is better that Jennifer dream does not come true for her own safety, isn't?

My response:

You got it correct. Personal safety should be her greatest concern. In an Islamic country, she is not guaranteed of this safety.

I suggest you read this book:

Why We Left Islam, edited by Susan Crimp and Joel Richardson.

In this book, there are stories of how gullible western women went to Egypt, fell in love with Muslim men, and eventually had to endure Islamic hell, because these Muslim men simply used those western women as sexual objects, to be passed around to their cohorts.

If you have no objection, I would like to post our missives in a few web sites for the benefit of other infidel women who are infatuated with Muslim men living in Islamic paradises. To secure privacy I shall remove your e-mail address and replace all names with fictitious names. Please reply within twenty four hours if you have any objections.

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Hello again Mr. Kasem

Just one more thing. I've heard about the Islamic Police in Saudi Arabia but I did not hear about it in Egypt.

Is this Police established in all the Muslim Countries?

Are in Egypt as a kind of spies?

Thanks again

Peter

My response:

Most Islamic paradises have Ministry/Department of religious (read Islamic) affairs. One of the primary duties of this Ministry/Department is to enforce Islamic laws in every sphere of Muslims’ lives. This department has its own judiciary, even custody centres, remands, penitentiaries and execution/stoning/flogging spots. If you have any doubt, visit any Islamic country such as Malaysia, Pakistan, Brunei, Indonesia, Maldives, Jordan, Iran, Iraq, Morocco, Yemen…and so on and witness how vigorously the Islamic policemen enforce Islamic laws. These religious policemen are especially active during the month of Ramadan, making frequent visits to restaurants, drinking holes, massage parlours, brothels, tea stalls…just to catch and impose fines on Muslims who happen to patronise such premises.

I am quite sure Egypt will be no different, since it is the cradle of fundamentalist/extremist Islam. Egypt is a very corrupt Islamic country, so I am not certain how the religious police handle such Islamic crimes, because, for these Islamic policemen enforcing Islamic laws might be a huge source of bribe money.

Sincerely,
Abul Kasem

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Dear Mr. Kasem

Once again thank you for your time, your help and your interest.

I think now everything is much clearer than before our travel.

With respect to the religious police, I heard time ago that in Cuba happened the same with what they call the Castro's police or the political police. The neighbours spy the neighbours and as much demands you do the more recognized is the government with you, then the bricks of the houses had ears.

The problem is that we (my wife and I) do not know how to explain everything to Jennifer.

She is all day thinking of Mohamed. Yesterday she told my wife that she was going to plan a one day meeting with Mohamed at the Four Seasons in Cairo for next summer, for July.

Even she said that, as she knows these hotels are too expensive for a young egyptian that works as a receptionist, she would pay the room.

Now I can imagine poor Jennifer with Mohamed being watched by the hotel security cameras in the corridors, one "religious police" on those cameras and as soon as Jennifer starts to make her dream reality policemen knocking at the door because one of those watchmen has called to them. I prefer do not imagine what would come later.

I suppose that, as you say, the best thing is continuing with their love in the distance and never tell Mohamed she will go again to Egypt, perhaps time cools these embers.

The best thing would be that Mohamed find another woman and left Jennifer, but if he is very obsessed with sleeping with her or practising sex with her is going to be dificult, even if he finds another woman he can still wanting to make real sex with her.

I would try to find a Dutch edition of the book you recommend and give it to Jennifer.

Regarding to use our questions to prevent people about these hidden dangers, there is no problem at all.

As you told me, please delete my address and change the names. Perhaps it is not necessary to change the country, XYZ is very big, or can be a good idea too. Let me to suggest to change to the Netherlands because It is known as a Paradise of Sex in Europe where almost everything is allowed (the reallity is a little bit different but they have fame).

Would you mind to send me the website addresses where you plan to post our missivs?, it is not lack of confidence, it is to read what other people say about this history.

Also I would like to ask for your permission to disturb you again if we have more doubts.

I will try to keep you informed of how this story goes.

Best regards

Peter

PD: Dear Mr. Kasem, I'm sorry about my English I hope there are in them nothing than could offend you and you can understand everything.

You wrote:

With respect to the religious police, I heard time ago that in Cuba happened the same with what they call the Castro's police or the political police. The neighbours spy the neighbours and as much demands you do the more recognized is the government with you, then the bricks of the houses had ears.

My response:

You got the message. Islam is worse than Castro’s private police force. In Islam, son spies on father, mother spies on children, husband spies on wife…and vice versa.

You wrote:

She is all day thinking of Mohamed. Yesterday she told my wife that she was going to plan a one day meeting with Mohamed at the Four Seasons in Cairo for next summer, for July.

My response:
A better idea would be to invite Mohamed to come to the Netherlands on his own expenses, pay his bills to stay in a five star hotel, and then have unlimited sex with Jennifer. Jennifer will enjoy immensely as she will not be in fear of being caught by the draconian Egyptian religious police. This will also test the love of Mohamed has for her.

You wrote:

Even she said that, as she knows these hotels are too expensive for a young egyptian that works as a receptionist, she would pay the room.

My response:
If she is that serious, then why not let Mohamed visit her and she pays his hotel bills in the Netherlands?

You wrote:

Now I can imagine poor Jennifer with Mohamed being watched by the hotel security cameras in the corridors, one "religious police" on those cameras and as soon as Jennifer starts to make her dream reality policemen knocking at the door because one of those watchmen has called to them. I prefer do not imagine what would come later.

My response:
You are completely correct. As Mohamed and Jennifer are of different race and complexion, they would be easily spotted and marked for observation by the Islamic spies. She is just deluding herself that somehow she would escape the terse and penetrating eyes of Islam. Islam has very little respect for personal freedom or privacy.

You wrote:

Would you mind to send me the website addresses where you plan to post our missivs?, it is not lack of confidence, it is to read what other people say about this history.

My response:
I shall forward you the link as soon as our missives are posted in web sites.

You wrote:

Also I would like to ask for your permission to disturb you again if we have more doubts

My response:
You are most welcome to contact me if that will help you to understand Islam.

Sincerely;
Abul Kasem

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Dear Mr. Kasem

Following are my comments, these are not questions but I would like to know if what I think is similar to your impressions.

We have been trying to speak to Jennifer about all this.

She says she does not think all this be true because is like a science-fiction film mixed with a terror one.

Of course I am not going to tell her about to pay all expenses to come Mohamed to the Netherlands, her mind is not on earth and she is able to do it!

My personal point of view is that due to the Islamic repression, in Islamic countries people know very little about sex, almost all things related with sex are forbidden and are sinful.

Then an European "perverted" lady arrives, she is beautiful, she wears a bikini to take sun-baths on the boat deck and then...adrenaline and testosterone shoot up out of control.

Mohamed, with his mind on her body all the time, tries an approximation and the ingenuous lady is caught in his net.

Mohamed did not think things going to be so well, he is starting to enjoy something that provides a lot of pleasure and then he is also starting to be caught by his own trap. At this moment they both seem to do not distinguish between love and affection or just only pure sex.

Now my wife and I have the hard work, the difficult task to impress upon her the reality of the Islamic Society and we must do that she see their relationship is not affection,it is just only pure sex due to this Society, because suddenly Mohamed have had access to a lot of information denied during all his life and to sensations he would never thought, in spite of being in the distance.

Really we do not know how to bring back Jennifer to the real life, she is very sensible and we do not want to hurt her so we have to go slowly.

I will keep you informed

Thanks again for your time and advices

Peter

My response:

Your analysis of an Islamic society bereft of sexual freedom and subject to acute sexual repression is quite true. Jennifer will soon wake up from the illusion. Feed her with more information on Islam. Direct her to sites such as:

www.faithfreedom.org
www.islam-watch.org
http://www.australianislamistmonitor.org/

Abul Kasem

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Abul Kasem is an Bengali ex-Muslim and academic. He has contributed in Leaving Islam - Apostates Speak Out and Beyond Jihad - Critical Voices from Inside. He has also written extensively on Islam in various websites and is the author of five e-Books: A Complete Guide to Allah, Root of Terrorism ala Islamic Style, Sex and Sexuality in Islam, Who Authored the Quran  and Women in Islam. Mr. Kasem leaves in Sydney, Australia. He can be contacted at abul88@hotmail.com.

 
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